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[ # ] C’mon God, where’s my Mansion???
Posted by Eric Stillman on April 3rd, 2007 under Money, Prosperity GospelPrint This Post  Print This Post

Would you believe that any self-respecting pastor could live in a $3.6 million mansion without expecting lightning bolts from heaven to rip through his helipad and indoor bowling alley?  Apparently there is at least one such pastor out there… this week, I thought I’d share with you a March 17th Detroit News article that is worthy of reflection and discussion, and then share some of my thoughts on the article. 


No taxes on $4M parsonage:
Northville Township loses $40,000 annually after church buys home.
Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News

NORTHVILLE TOWNSHIP — A Redford Township church that believes wealth is God’s reward is raising eyebrows for buying its pastor a $3.65 million mansion and taking it off the tax rolls.
This month, township officials grudgingly conceded they had no choice but to remove the 11,000-square-foot home overlooking Maybury State Park from its assessment rolls, losing $40,000 annually in taxes.
They concluded the plush pad is a parsonage, but that hasn’t quelled debate among township officials and neighbors about whether Christian charity extends to the Detroit World Outreach Church’s purchase in September of the home for Pastor Ben Gibert and his wife and co-pastor, Charisse Gibert.
“I also have faith in God, but I don’t expect to live in such opulence,” said Evgenia Asimakis, a single mother of two who lives nearby and has trouble paying her property taxes.
Her neighbor, Gary Wall, is blunter: “You don’t need a multimillion-dollar place to see God. He’ll take a lot less.”
Detroit World Outreach Church isn’t apologizing. In fact, members say the mansion is proof God has blessed them.
The 4,000-member church is part of a growing movement that preaches prosperity. Also known as “health and wealth” theology, the ideology preaches that God wants followers to do well, be healthy and have rewards — such as the $50,000 Cadillac Escalade the church bought the Giberts, who have four children.
Ben Gibert said God surrounds the faithful with beautiful things.
One of the leaders of his church agrees. “God’s empowerment is to make you have an abundant life,” said Elder Marvin Wilder, a lawyer and general counsel for the church.
In this country we value rock stars, movie stars and athletes. They can have a lavish lifestyle, and a pastor who restores lives that were broken shouldn’t? When our value system elevates a man who can put a ball in a hole and not a man who does God’s work, something is wrong.”
Born in the 1950s, prosperity theology has a strong following among some fundamentalist and nondenominational churches. It’s gained popularity among mega-church ministries of such well-known national pastors as Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes and Pat Robertson.
Even so, most Christian denominations disparage the belief as consumerism run amok, said David G. Myers, professor of psychology at Hope College in Holland who has written about the movement.
“Are people really any happier for that sort of self-indulgent spending? The answer is clearly no,” Myers said.
Wilder said the four-bedroom mansion “isn’t flamboyant” and is compensation for Ben Gibert leaving his job as a high-paying automotive executive with DaimlerChrysler’s minivan division after the sudden death in 2005 of church founder Bishop Jack Cameron Wallace.
Wallace dropped dead in Zimbabwe doing what Wilder said was the church’s work. Wallace, 47, was an accomplished weight lifter and co-founder of Prosperity Nutrition Inc., which sold performance enhancement supplements, such as creatine, online.
Wilder said Gibert saved the church whose membership, once at 10,000, had fallen by more than half. Its services still are carried on a host of television channels throughout the Midwest.
“We know that it will cost the township some tax revenue, but every church in the state gets property tax exemption,” Wilder said. “Having a parsonage is a historical precedent. Ours happens to be worth $3.6 million.”
The mansion sits on 12 acres and behind a quarter-mile-long driveway and a tall, electronically controlled gate. That’s necessary because the church has spoken out against homosexuality and Islamic violence, Wilder said. Wallace once had a live bullet delivered in the offering plate, Wilder said.
Gibert, who left a 7,000-square-foot home in Franklin for the mansion, agreed security is a concern.
“I am an African-American man who became pastor of a multi-ethnic church. Some people don’t agree with that,” he said. “I have not received death threats, but people have followed my children to school.”
Thelma Kubitskey, the township’s finance director, said officials weren’t thrilled, but had to remove the house from the tax rolls. Tax-free status can be granted to church-owned residences if clergy live there, even if they’re not in the same communities as the churches.
“If the church is willing to pay for the house, it’s fine with me,” said neighbor Janice Gutowski, whose $800,000 home is dominated by the Giberts’ house and lawns.
“Churches don’t pay taxes, so the rules should be the same for everyone.”
Township Clerk Sue Hillebrand complained that Northville schools can ill afford to lose more revenue. She said she’s amazed by the church’s generosity.
“They could buy a very, very nice home out here for half a million,” she said. “Can you imagine how many miracles you could perform, how many people you could help with the $3 million left over?”

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 If you’ve read Joel Osteen’s book Your Best Life Now or listened to any number of televangelists, then you’ve likely been influenced by some who believe that God’s desire is to bless His followers financially and with good health, if those followers would only believe this and claim it for their lives.  I’ve been spending the last few weeks talking about the importance and dangerous business of Biblical hermeneutics – knowing how to accurately apply Biblical passages to today’s world – and certainly this is an area where such an understanding is valuable.  It is entirely possible to read passages such as Deuteronomy 8:18-19 - “But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.”  and 2 Corinthians 8:8-9 -  “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich” and come away believing that God’s desire is for us to be wealthy.  Of course, it’s just as easy to read passages such as Matthew 19:23-24 - “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” and Matthew 6:19-21 - “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.  But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.  For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also” and believe that God’s will is not for us to seek worldly wealth.

Since I did not grow up exposed to any so-called “prosperity gospel” teachings, I don’t just disagree with that view on God, but I am sickened by it.  I can’t believe that any Christian would believe that God’s will is for the pastor to own a $3.6 million home instead of using that money for countless other worthy causes.  However, this article certainly raises the question in my mind of where the line should be drawn between God’s blessing and unhealthy greed, an especially pertinent question as my family attempts to find a home to live in in the expensive town of Glastonbury.  If we are to find a home in Glastonbury comparable to what we currently own in Windsor, it will likely cost about $350,000.  And while that amount sounds ridiculous (and unaffordable) to me as a Christian who hates to live for my mortgage, to settle for something smaller means potentially giving up other dreams and desires, and to live outside of Glastonbury means not really ministering in our community.  Furthermore, since there are missionaries and pastors around the world sacrificing all earthly things for the sake of the gospel, who am I to ask God to bless us with a big enough house to provide space for as many children as he can bring our way?  Aren’t there plenty of others in greater need?  I hope you see my dilemma – where exactly is the line between the blessing of God and sinful greed?

One of the best quotes regarding worldly wealth comes from John Wesley, founder of the Methodist church:  “Make all you can, save all you can, give all you can.”  Money is not evil in and of itself (it’s the love of money, according to 1 Timothy 6:10), and the more you can make and the more you can save, the more you can give away.  But in order to save and give like that, it certainly helps not to be spending most of what you make on yourself, your mortgage, etc.

If you have any thoughts or insights on this issue, I would love to hear them.  Post your comments so that others might learn from your experiences and insights.  And if you hear of any affordable homes in Glastonbury, let us know.  We don’t need a mansion…


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[ # 108 ] Comment from Eric Couch [April 4, 2007, 12:34 pm]

I thought I’d try my hand at the whole blogging thing, so I scanned through the recent topics. After reading through “Women, Homosexuality, and the Bible (oh my!)”, (yikes) I quickly came back to this more recent, more safe, topic.

From the details of the atricle, I have to admit my first reaction to a $4 million dollar house for a pastor was indignation. They could have housed him for a quarter of that and given the rest away. What about that guy in front of me at the stoplight with the Jesus fish on his brand new Mercedes? He could be just as mobile with a $10,000 car. What about that time in D.C. when I strolled past the beggar and bought a Starbucks huka lucka latte for $5. I guess I could have gotten the gas station coffee for a buck and given the beggar the rest.

[ # 109 ] Comment from Eric Stillman [April 4, 2007, 1:43 pm]

Thanks E.Couch… when I got my first apartment, I had a hard time coming to terms with what if anything I should own… part of me thought I should just use boxes for furniture and give the rest of the money away… but I guess my money can go farther if I put it to God’s use. There’s a line in a Five Iron Frenzy song that goes “How can I ever save the world on Cup-a-Soup and student loans?” I guess that’s how I feel when I think of just giving away all I have. How was the latte?

[ # 115 ] Comment from A seeker [April 6, 2007, 2:07 pm]

Eric Stillman, you have come up with many though-provoking topics lately! You mentioned 2 key NT verses. First, Matthew 6:21: “For where your treasure is, there will be your heart also.” And 1 Tim: 10, but I would go back a few verses: “But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.” What do we treasure, and are we content? Is money (and wanting more of it) an idol? What is “enough?” When others have more, are we envious? Very, very difficult questions, especially, as you mentioned, if you live in Glastonbury or surrounding towns. I struggle with wanting my relationship with God to be number one over everything else that brings comfort in this world. It is a daily struggle. I look at what others have and wonder why I don’t have it all, too. And then I am brought back to that word contentment. And if I look at what I have, all of which I don’t deserve but have by God’s grace, I can give thanks. And when I give thanks, I get a renewed mind. This is another struggle. But it all works toward becoming more dependent upon God. So, can you have a mansion and still be dependent on God? I guess you have to ask the person with the mansion. Does a pastor’s owning a mansion provoke covetousness among his friends, family, and church? I would like to hear the answer to that-the honest answer.

[ # 116 ] Comment from Eric Stillman [April 6, 2007, 2:16 pm]

Good questions & observations, seeker… Jesus said the pure in heart will see God, and I’ve heard purity of heart defined as wanting one thing - God. To me, the prosperity gospel would cause me to seek God’s gifts more than him, and to have a hard time being content. If I believe God rewards those who seek him with earthly blessing, and I don’t have that, how can that not produce all kinds of covetousness, anger, despair, shame, and other things? It’s all good for the ones who get the big house and fancy car, but what about the one who doesn’t, who as a result feels less spiritual or less approved by God? “But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you as well.” Lord, help us seek after you for who you are and not for the things you might give us.

[ # 125 ] Comment from Eric Couch [April 9, 2007, 9:40 am]

Now that I am in an area where I can no longer attend the wonderful new Life Christian Fellowship, I have been attending many different churches and hearing many different preachers. One preacher was using some diagrams to depict some complex ways in which God recieves glory and in turn calls us to share in it. Wealth was not the topic of sermon, but I do recall a “bulls-eye” diagram he used in which God is the center, then the outer rings contained power, wealth, honor, virtues and other things we might desire. When we make God our target these other things come as well. This seems to parallel to the prosperity gospels we’re discussing, and while I agree that we should seek after God and make Him our target, it seems like a catch 22 to expect these other things as results. At that sermon, I felt convicted of desiring wealth more than God. However, I found myself deducing that to obtain that wealth I have to refocus myself on God. With that type of thinking, it seems like my heart was still not in the right place.

We probably shouldn’t expect particular blessings from God. Afterall, he blessed Job with many material things and John the Baptist with few. I like seeker’s thoughts on contentment. Job had much, but I dare say John was more content.

By the way, the latte was good while it lasted, but I was still thirsty afterwards.

[ # 127 ] Comment from LOLITA [April 9, 2007, 4:11 pm]

I can’t deny that there is a part of me that loves it when I see one of these “ministers” exposed. On the other hand, I think it is God’s patience and grace that has held off greater judgement , but he does chastise those he loves and its been a long time coming.

Its unbelievable how outsiders can see how corrupt “prosperity” ministers are and how they leach off of the poor, yet their followers make excuse after excuse for their leadership. I think it is one part brain-washing and one part greed. Will they will be the next to hit the jackpot from heaven? Maybe, if they keep giving and don’t despise the blessings bestowed on the “man of God”.

The bottom line is that pastors are called to serve others. How this pastor moving from his own $700,000 home to a 3.6 M estate constitutes service on the behalf of Detroit World Outreaches poor is beyond me.

[ # 129 ] Comment from Eric Stillman [April 10, 2007, 9:21 am]

Thanks for the comments, Lolita. The phrase “jackpot from heaven” certainly resonates with me - whether its seeking God for money, prestige, health, or anything else, in the end it’s using Him for our own gain. Not only is not worship of God, but it’s not an effective long-term teaching strategy. After all, if Tony Robbins or Wayne Dyer or some other self-help guru brings me health & wealth quicker, why do I need God? If my goal is the jackpot, I’ll seek it anywhere I can, and if God doesn’t do it for me, I’ll find someone else.

[ # 410 ] Comment from Tiff [May 20, 2007, 7:11 pm]

Seems weird that all the judgemental comments are coming from individuals that are on the outside looking in. Judge not that ye be not judged is the primary scripture that you should meditate. Since you have time to read and blog, take a few days to do a search in the Bible, meditate on what you find and see for yourselves what God thinks about wealth for his children. It will make for a much better discussion to respond when you know the facts — all of the facts. A good question is why does so many follow this doctrine? Why hasn’t the membership declined? Why are you worried about the Pastor’s home and car? Then put everything into its proper perspective. It really isn’t about the cost of the home, is it? What if the church spent $30,000 on the home, would that make you happier?

[ # 413 ] Comment from Eric Stillman [May 21, 2007, 10:16 am]

Thank you for your comments Tiff. I agree that we have to be careful about passing judgment if we have not taken the time to first “take the plank out of our own eyes.” This is why I used this example to ask about my own dilemma and what is appropriate for me or any pastor/church to spend on worldly things like housing. Since Christians everywhere are influenced by the teaching that God wants you to be healthy and wealthy, I felt it was important to address this issue, and yes, I have done my research, even if I didn’t do a thorough outline of the theological issue in this post. I still believe this teaching is contrary to Jesus’ teaching and a largely American interpretation of the gospel. As for why so many people follow that doctrine, I don’t see number of adherents as proof of accuracy; there are plenty of Mormons & Jehovah’s Witnesses (not to mention Muslims and Hindus) worldwide, and their memberships are growing, but that doesn’t mean their teachings are true. I’m not surprised at all that a church teaching that God wants you to be healthy and wealthy is growing, because it taps into the American desire for success and comfort. But I stand by what I wrote, that the overwhelming testimony of the Bible is the importance of giving your life & worldly things in service to God and neighbor, not gaining all you can as proof of God’s “blessing”.

[ # 611 ] Comment from Kenyatta [June 21, 2007, 11:20 am]

Everyone is always concerned about what someone else is doing, why not as the old saying goes ( mind your own business) if it is so that pastors, elders, or any other members of the church staff is doing business that is not of God’s will, God has instructed us to let Him be the judge, God said in Matthew 25:31-40 those who will see him will be those who fed the hungry, sheltered the homeless, clothed the naked, visited the sick and imprisoned and this should be the concern of us all whether we live in a $30,000 or a 3 million dollar home. In the bible God has also instructed us to do unto others as you want done to you, and this means in everything you do.(Give and it will be given unto you). Everyone should seek first our Father God and our Savior the Lord Jesus Christ and do what He wants you to do and don’t worry about the rest because as He said in his word all these things will be added to you (Matthew 6:33).

[ # 3718 ] Comment from Beth [November 29, 2007, 6:15 pm]

Okay, so what! Most people don’t care if a rapper, movie star, or any other famous person gets something, but when a pastor gets it, it’s a whole other issue now. Why? Because people are jealous. Pastor Gibert does give to charities, missionary work, so on and so forth. I agree with Kenyatta. People always worry about others. Worry about your own problems. It’s okay for people to be rich, even pastors. God wouldn’t give him something he couldn’t handle. There is a HUGE difference between greed and prosperity. The pastor is not greedy, because if he was, and if he didn’t have integrity, the church and the board could boot him out of his place and someone else could take over. But has that happened, no. The church can bless him because he has blessed others. God will bless us so we can be a blessing. He has helped people with home troubles, those who didn’t have food, helped those who didn’t have a job, so on and so fourth. Don’t judge people if you don’t even know the whole story. The media twists and turns things to the words people want to hear. Don’t believe what everyone says.

[ # 4806 ] Comment from Chelle [January 14, 2008, 5:21 am]

I think everyone should just take a deep breath, and meditate on the love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control the Lord expects us to show toward all men (especially our fellow brothers & sisters in Christ). The Bible is very balanced in what it teaches about riches on earth. Take a look in the Old Testament (OT)–God promised health, wealth, and principal rule to the Jews “if” they served Him only, obeserved all that He told them to do, and forsook it not. When Solomon asked God for wisdom to rule His people, he received abundant wealth and prosperity from the Lord…and so did David. In the New Testament, Jesus said to “seek first the Kingdom of God, and all these things will be added.” He never said that a man “shouldn’t/or couldn’t” be rich or possess wealth; yet, one should not store/or hoard these things or make gods of them. We are to give to the poor/needy, and help those in need, PERIOD. Every King of the OT, along with other Jews/Hebrews were tremendously wealthy, and blessed of God. Our being “rich” is no big deal to God, as long as the blessings come from Him. “The blessings of the Lord maketh rich, and He adds no sorrow to them.” He owns everything, and can place blessings and resources of any kind, in any magnitude, quantity, or quality, in the hands of whomever He pleases. “ALL things were made by Him, and for Him.” Why are we placing limits on God, and what He will do for His children. What about extremely rich individuals who have garnered wealth before they came to Christ; are living in the newness of life; and still garnering wealth? The Lord knew they would come to Him…but it doesn’t matter to Him what their financial portfolio looks like before or after the fact. As long as you make Him the object of your affection, He will direct you in every aspect of your walk with Him. That even means restructuring how you MANAGE your increase, and how you worship Him in your giving (it belongs to Him in the first place…you are simply the vessel in which He chose to be a steward over it). Pastor Gibert was financially blessed of God way before he became Sr. Pastor of Detroit World Outreach, and I don’t believe for one minute that the story presented by the network was done in truth or fairness. We as Christians should question their motivation for even airing the story. Furthermore, none of us have all of the facts, haven’t personally spoken with him, his staff, or his board to allow them a chance to fully tell their side of the story. So far, everyone not directly involved has solely relied on 2nd or 3rd hand, heard-it-thorugh-the-grapevine type gossip. I certainly don’t believe that this Pastor will be condemned to a burning fire because his elder board bought property for the church, and allows him to live there (AT HIS EXPENSE). Yes, I found out that he is responsible for all of the financial obligations attached to his living there. If there was any wrong-doing or ungodly, unscrupulous conduct, then God will judge all involved, and deal with them accordingly. Our position is to simply pray, and ensure that we are fulfilling the will and purpose of God in our own lives.

[ # 7674 ] Comment from Stephen Burgor [June 12, 2008, 12:11 pm]

I have so many things to say I just don’t know where to start. I must ultimately realize that people who confess the name of Christ as their savior are my brothers and sisters in the Lord and I still must show God’s love towards them.

Let’s get some things straight here . . . . Pastor Ben Gibert did not buy “the house”. The church board did. And not because they did are they at “fault” of breaking any of God’s laws. Most people (let’s just say more than 50%) who write on this blog are getting their information sifted through the world’s strainer called local or national television. Gee . . . now there is a reliable source of information. I will make this quick since right now I do not have a lot of time at my disposal. Where does it say in God’s word that you are holy or unholy based upon how many square feet of a house you live in? Does the church need to put a pastor in a small house? Does the church need to put a pastor in a large house? Hmmmmm how about taking the national square foot average and find a house that is exactly 1700 square feet. Then he will be very holy. Oh but wait. That would be way too large if we compare it to the rest of the world. I think then, taking into account the country of Japan, the most “holiest” place for a pastor to live would be approximately 376 square feet. Do any of you Chritstion brothers and sisters live in a home that is larger than that? . . . If so . . . then you aught to be ashamed of yourself, repent, and then simply give your “big” house to the poor. Speaking of the poor and titghing. . . how many of you/us give more than 10 % of your gross income to the building of the ministry, poor, abandoned, needy, widowed, or downtrotten? Hmmmm don’t just blow that question off. Look at your bank accounts and giving records do you really give that much away or is that simply your intentions? Do any of you know how much of DWO gives away to other ministries? Yea, I didn’t think so. If any one really were searching for the truth one would find out that DWO has a past of giving an extreme amount of money to other ministries. How much does your ministry give away to help God’s kingdom grow? No, I didn’t say how much do you spend on your own ministry, I asked how much does your ministry give away to other Godly ministries? How many houses has your ministry bought for single mothers? How many tons of food has your ministry given away to the poor and needy? I have a feeling that a lot of us right now reading this post are saying . . . “Well I don’t think that is really that important” or “Well I don’t make a lot of money” or any other excuse except looking at our own accountability. . . . pause . . .breath in . . . breath out breath in breath out.

There are so many scriptures in the book of Proverbs itself that address wealth. These scriptures were not written by “so called wealthy American churches or pastors” they were written by very wealthy Israelite Kings and leaders who never knew about America. Why, just because I or someone else lives in America do people single us (DWO members) out as twisting God’s word?

I need to go but will come back in time and give plenty of wisdom found in scripture about wealth, prosperity, foolishness, and foolish spending. My email is sburgor07@yahoo.com if any one would like to converse in a Godly manner concering these topics

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